Universal Access To All Knowledge
Home Donate | Store | Blog | FAQ | Jobs | Volunteer Positions | Contact | Bios | Forums | Projects | Terms, Privacy, & Copyright
Search: Advanced Search
Anonymous User (login or join us)

Reply to this post | Go Back
View Post [edit]

Poster: Mandojammer Date: Nov 6, 2013 8:45am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: The 1984 Project - A question based on an observation....

Okay esteemed Forumbulators....

In the last couple of days I finished up with 10/11/84 and 10/12/84 - both shows at the Augusta Civic Center in Augusta, Maine.

On 10/11, they played Playin' (and it was a pretty good one). I was waiting for a reprise, and made the comment in my show summary that even though we never really got a PITB reprise, it was a good show on the PITB alone.

Skip on down a bit Brother Maynard....or at least to the next day.

The 10/12 show gives us what I have found to be the best 5 song run all year, and if you count the Morning Dew, one of the best 6 song sequences ever. Yeah I said ever.

Uncle John's Band > Drums > Space > PLAYIN' IN THE BAND REPRISE > Uncle John's Band

Morning Dew was a bonus.

So I got to thinking (and pulled my medulla oblongata) and wondered if there are any other examples of multi-day reprises? There has to be. The next question, is are any of them as striking as this one? I noted in my review comments that the crowd didn't seem to react to the PITB Reprise like I thought they would had they caught on that it was played the night before.

For those who care, I graded the 10/12/84 show as a contender for Show of the Year. Those of you who forewarned me that October was a good month for 1984 weren't kidding.

All of the above made sense to me as I typed it. If there is any confusion or if you have any questions, Craven is wearing a purple hat because you can't patch a leaking roof with strawberry pancakes.

Carry on........

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: light into ashes Date: Nov 6, 2013 11:04am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Playin' reprises

I believe 10/12/84 was the first time Playin' was reprised from a previous day. This became much more common in the '90s.

To expand on Phlesh Wound's list - they did it again on:
11/2/84 (reprising the Playin' from 10/28/84)
11/5/85 (reprising the Playin' from 11/4/85)
3/21/86 (from 3/19/86)
7/4/89 (from 7/2/89)
9/20/90 (from 9/19/90)
12/9/90 (from 12/8/90)
3/25/91 (from 3/23/91)
4/1/91 (from 3/31/91)
6/11/91 (from 6/9/91)
6/17/91 (from nowhere)
8/16/91 (from 8/12/91)
9/9/91 (from 9/6/91)
3/12/92 (from 3/11/92)
3/18/92 (from nowhere)
12/6/92 (from 12/3/92)
12/17/92 (from 12/16/92)
1/25/93 (from 1/24/93)
9/29/93 (from 9/28/93)

This list is no doubt incomplete, but those are the ones I could find.

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: grendelschoice Date: Nov 6, 2013 12:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Playin' reprises

....and 10/12/84 remains the best of the bunch.

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: craven714 Date: Nov 6, 2013 1:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The 1984 Project - A question based on an observation....

Its withOUT strawberry pancakes. without...
Dammit Jim, Im a doctor,
not a proctologist. And remember, a procotogist is just a
brain surgeon to lawyers.
Anyhole, glad to see your progress with the 84 thang.
and 86? No comment.

But thanks to you~~
Della Mae~
Date: October 25, 2013
Time: 9:00pm
Venue: Woodlands Tavern
1200 W. 3rd Ave
Columbus, OH 43212

FREAKIN KILLER. and Youtubed some stringdusters from last
years Festy. Good golly miss Molly!
until next time: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flGdFvkjMPU
I gotta keep my mind from wandering

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: Mandojammer Date: Nov 6, 2013 3:57pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The 1984 Project - A question based on an observation....

Della Mae and the Dusters shot by yours truly at this year's Festy. These young ladies can flat out play.

Sleepy Eyed John - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyKsHNA9yls

Empire - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fq5nzQEkDY

Jamie Dear - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sztxmMZHWok

Tiger By the Tail (with Andy Hall from the Dusters on dobro) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBBlYrt9a1Q

Joined onstage by the rest of the Infamous Stringdusters. This is where the 51 string clusterpluck begins.

Go And Leave Me - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lScRepO3DYw

That's the Way That the World Goes Round -

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: craven714 Date: Nov 7, 2013 6:30am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The 1984 Project - A question based on an observation....

Yeah, I don't care what all the people say, you're a good
egg (*and bacon). This is coming from a good nut.
You have officially made my shitty day at work better.
I have been amazed at the footage from these shows. Cant
wait to check your poop out.
That's the way the world goes round...

Attachment: bacon_flavored_lip_balm.jpg

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: AltheaRose Date: Nov 7, 2013 1:34am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The 1984 Project - A question based on an observation....

Well, I saw a series of shows where they split the Dark Star between the first and the third nights. That was 12/12/90 and 12/14/90 in Denver. Those were my first shows since '85.

First night Iko goes into DS and then Terrapin, and you can imagine how cool that was. (Well, maybe not, if you don't care for Terrapin. But I love it.) I remember how unusual The Weight seemed as an encore. That song was always one of my favorites and I had no idea they'd been playing it. Ah the pre-internet era.

Got a Box of Rain 2nd night. Actually it was TOO into Morning Dew into BoR, which was like pay dirt for me. And BoR was a pretty big deal then ... I guess it had been common, but I'd never heard it.

Third night was the 2nd verse of DS.

My tix were for pretty far back, but one of those nights I got to 2nd row center. I knew someone who was in front and decided to try to meet up. Mission accomplished. Stayed there for a long time, until everyone sat down in their real seats for ... I'm trying to remember the tune, cuz that would tell me the night. A slower tune; may have been LLR. According to an audience reviewer, Bill Walton was there in front, but I had no clue. Everyone's tall compared to me anyway. Maybe he was the guy who turned to me and said, "Where did you come from?" :-)

Haven't heard the Denver run in a long time, but I suspect that a battle between them and Augusta would be over quickly. Still, I think the shows were good for the time ... I definitely enjoyed them.



This post was modified by AltheaRose on 2013-11-07 09:34:28

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: wlg3 Date: Nov 6, 2013 9:37am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The 1984 Project - A question based on an observation....

If you skip ahead 1 1/2 years, there was a split at Hampton, VA in '86 with PITB on the first night (3/19), and the reprise on the third night (3/20). This probably gets overlooked due to the "Visions of Johanna", "Box of Rain" and "Road Runner" breakouts.

This reprise was pretty striking, but then again the whole third night had some sort of weird exciting energy.

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: Mandojammer Date: Nov 6, 2013 10:19am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The 1984 Project - A question based on an observation....

The 1984 Project will be on hold today while I venture into 1986.....

Hope the office likes it.

Actually, it doesn't matter if they do or not.

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: Phlesh Wound Date: Nov 7, 2013 10:02am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The 1984 Project - A question based on an observation....

There are a couple of these with Sugar Magnolia/Sunshine Daydream in 1991. On back to back shows 91-04-27/28 and about a week apart in honor of Bill Graham with the Sugar Mags on 91-10-27 and SSDD on 91-11-03.

There are more examples with PITB but they're trickier to find because setlists don't always make the point of indicating when a PITB is just the Reprise but here's an incomplete list:

Quasi-related is the Uncle John's Band from 79-12-26 (Dick's Picks 5). One of my all time favorite versions with a beautiful opening solo from Jerry that just twirls. They don't wrap that one up until the unique Shakedown Street>UJB Reprise encore.


This post was modified by Phlesh Wound on 2013-11-07 18:02:09

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 6, 2013 11:44am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The 1984 Project - A question based on an observation....

Hey PW, just to prove I still think about the DEAD now and again, and because you mentioned a "fav" UJB, let me suggest that you find the encore UJB from 10-4-70, which should be "here", and is also on the "expanded" release of Workingman's DEAD (ie, the CD w additional tracks and such, at least the one in my Golden Road "big box" doohickey). They added it to that one as an all time great live version, though they credit the date "wrong" (LiA & I discussed this some long, long time past...think we have confirmed that is true, blah, blah, blah).

Point being, if you love inspired UJB's, you will absolutely love this one, and if you love "more Phil, more bass", it will be doubly so.

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: Phlesh Wound Date: Nov 7, 2013 10:04am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The 1984 Project - A question based on an observation....

Great rec WT. Don't know that I'd heard that one before. Really enjoyed the contrast of Jerry's very beautiful, almost languid solo and the intense urgency of the drums. And you're right about Phil too. Right up there with the one I previously mentioned and 74-09-18's show opener.

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 7, 2013 11:38am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The 1984 Project - A question based on an observation....

So cool to hear you enjoyed it; it really is a gem--was released (hmm?), er, sold as part of "Mammary Productions" in the Bay Area for yrs (1 LP bootleg) on the strength of that song, GLovin, and a nice CCS/IKYR...plus, the famed wah-wah SugMag, my all time fav due to that alone...finally, the vocals on a number of tunes, esp an odd TTMComes and BDPalace (not on the record, but here if I recall) are really something special...the studio practice pays off, even when Jerry is so low in the mix as to be almost an echo alone....

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Nov 6, 2013 1:04pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The 1984 Project - A question based on an observation....

Thoughts on the 10-12 CR&S?

Would you be willing to share your show notes for this date?

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: Mandojammer Date: Nov 6, 2013 3:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The 1984 Project - A question based on an observation....

S - Here you go.

Bottom line up front. I graded this CR&S as a timeless one that could go toe to toe with ANY other CR&S out there for consideration as "Best Ever". It was good.

Full show write-up:

50. 10/12/84 – Augusta Civic Center, Augusta, ME
(Stand out show)


a. Feels Like A Stranger* – This one screamed “I’m from the 80s” right from the start. The keys were bright, jangly and signature Brent. Jerry was all over his envelope filter. Separation between Billy and Mickey was excellent. Phil had a nice solid bass line running underneath everyone. At 2:00, Jerry and Brent laid down a short and simple, but very well meshed up run – again, it screamed “80s”, but it is the 80s – and it was good. Obviously the crowd liked what they were hearing. There was about a minute and a half of the repeated “Feels Like A Stranger” line until the closing jam begins at 4:20ish. This jam alone was worth the price of admission. Jerry’s guitar was dripping funky fire. Completely 80s keys that absolutely worked with this song. Phil is a felt force. Bobby’s rhythm was tinny but it fell right in place with everyone else. Pre 80s purists will not like it just because it’s from the 80s, but this was a really good version. One song deep, but off to a solid start.
b. It Must Have Been the Roses* – Brent is jangly and in front right. Jerry’s vocals are smack dab center, and he is raspy and strained. Brent and Bobby’s backing vocals are near perfect. Billy and Mickey sound like they are on the verge of falling asleep. Phil bomb at 2:25. Jerry clam at 2:33. Jerry’s voice has found some strength and clarity by 2:45. Jerry’s solo at 4:15 is loose, but good. Brent is getting janglier and becoming borderline distracting. Still, a nice solid, well done tune.
c. On the Road Again* – Well now, that was a lot of fun. Brent’s pipe organ keys actually helped this one out. First time played this year and I’m guessing they reached way back for this one. Without looking at the lyrics closely, it sounds like there were a couple of repeated verses as Bobby was knocking off the rust. A handful of guitar clams, but so far the show is still going strong.
d. Jack-a-Roe* – The Phil Bombs Cometh. I’ve always liked this tune, and despite Brent’s slight jangle, this one is no exception. Again, clams abound, but they seem to be characterizing this show which in an odd way only Dead heads can fully appreciate, actually makes the whole thing better. Four songs into the show and I’m thinking we may have a stealth show of the year contender in the making.
e. It’s All Over Now* – I knew if I waited long enough, the B3 would show up. Jerry is bouncing along and his riffs are clear and crisp. Nice Jerry low end and Bobby rhythm at 1:30. Phil lurking in the background, again, he’s felt as much heard. Pretty good separation between Billy and Mickey. Drums are pretty much split evenly between right and left, cymbals are predominantly left. Outstanding B3 riff from Brent at 3:15. Bobby piles on at 3:50. Pleasantly surprised so far.
f. Cumberland Blues* – Signature 80s pace. Brent’s toy pipe organ keys accent well. Jerry’s riffs are loose and hot. Separation between Billy and Mickey has narrowed a bit from left-right to left-center. Pace is quick and is being driven by the keys. Phil is solid if a touch low in the mix. He pops out every now and then. Gets a bit hissy and hot – an equalizer can help a lot. If you’re looking for a good 80s CB, this one is really good.
g. The Music Never Stopped* – This one screams “80s” from the start. 1:48 brings us the requisite Bobby vocal fumble and “nyuh, nyuhm, nyuh” mumble over that is rudely greeted with derision from the crowd. Brent was a little heavy on the jangle knob. Jerry’s run around 3:45 was capped nicely with some very clear cymbal work. The entire closing jam sequence was solid. Phil needs a boost. Headphones helped. I must be getting adjusted to the signature 80s sound because the grate factor is way down, despite the presence of jangle and chimes. This was a good tune in what is shaping up to be a good show. A really good show. The streak continues.
h. Cold Rain and Snow* – The bow wave of sound Brent rides in at 0:30 is all you need to hear. A whole lot of pedantic words and purple prose aren't needed. Use an equalizer to take just a touch of the high end off and the mix is near perfect. Billy and Mickey are sharply split. Bobby’s rhythm is solid. Jerry’s riffs are clean. Phil’s bass line is alive. Put this one on the list for All Time Best contender.
i. Lost Sailor – Enthusiastically received by the crowd, but the jangle factor was a touch high for me. Phil is well mixed.
j. Saint of Circumstance – Okay, I suppose this was a good pairing for the 80s. The crowd liked it, but they were unremarkable for me.
k. Don’t Need Love – I almost hate to admit it, but this is almost growing on me. Kind of like a fungus. The talking drum helps a lot, but I still think Brent is much better as a back-up singer. Whatever, the crowd liked it.
l. Uncle John’s Band* – Started a touch jangly, but Jer’s opening riff – clams and all - is why we love this band. Crowd response at 1:05 clearly indicates their appreciation. Brent’s backing vocals are just darn good. What is a “buck dancer?”. The middle jam starting at 6:05 could have come from any of the epic UJB jams – less the jangle keys. The mix is great – Phil is slightly right and forward in the mix. Billy and Mickey are separated well – cymbals left, skins right. Jer moves from right to left, but stays right most of the time. Keys are back and center. Bobby is over with Jer, but only occasionally pops above the mix. 12:15 to the end was spacey and ethereal and just short of timeless. You almost could have cut the tracks and relisted it as UJB>Space>Drums>Space. Whale song at 14:45? 15:50 gives us the slightest tease of PITB before transitioning into Drums. This was an excellent UJB and was just a jangle key or two away from all time status.
m. Drums* – Don’t pee here. Trippy vibes starting at 7:30 was worth the price of the tune.
n. Space* – Wow. Normally it’s hard to get excited about a Space, but this is one of them. We get a little bit of everything here. Heavy TOO tease/noodle starting around 5:05. Then a touch of Spanish Jam around 5:30. This was an excellent D>S pairing. Oh Hell no! 6:45 brings us the PITB reprise from the night before. The crowd doesn’t hear the tease yet – or they weren’t at the show the night before. Or they were and they don’t remember. That’s a potential new project. How many tunes did they reprise the next day?
o. Playin’ in the Band Reprise* – Outstanding. Timeless. Hard to get excited about a reprise? Not this one.....
p. Uncle John’s Band* – Talk about a band finishing a show on a strong note. This 5 song run was magical. Jangle chime keys here and there notwithstanding. In fact, I’m calling this total sequence of tunes an all-timer. Each tune was good to great in its own right, but in total, the sum was phenomenal.
q. Morning Dew* – You’re kidding me right? How many brains melted in the first 30 seconds of this tune. Coming out of a fantastic 5 tune sequence into Dew seems like a deliberate attempt at sonically induced synaptic fusion. Keys, Phil, Jerry’s plaintive wailing on vocals and guitar, timely rhythm from Bobby all add up to a fantastic version. Phil bombs at 4:55 and 5:00 are huge. Bonus points for hippies clapping in time for almost a minute around the 6:15 mark. Jer’s solo at 7:55 gave me goosebumps. Sure, there were a few clams here and there, and Jer’s vocals distorted from time to time, but that only barely prevents this tune from earning all time status. This was a damn good performance of a great tune. To steal a line from our idiot Vice President Biden....”This is a big fucking deal.”
r. Good Lovin’* – Safe zone tune. So what. Boom. Lights out. Put a bow on it. Great end to a great show. Put it in the books as a contender for show of the year.

No question, this is a strong candidate for show of the year on the incredible second set closing run alone. Right now I’m ranking this one #2 overall behind 10/6/84. This is the stealth candidate. The damn thing sneaks up on you and hammers you. I did not see this coming from this show. Great work from Hunter Seamons on this matrix.

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Nov 6, 2013 4:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The 1984 Project - A question based on an observation....

I've been waiting for you to review this show- my fav of '84 and one of the better 2nd sets of the back 15 years. I've been listening to this show since the mid-80s and it still gives me a thrill. As an aside, I recently watched the vid of this for the first time and it was a tough watch. Jerry was in rough shape.

I too really like Hunter's mix (nod to SDH on that rec). I agree with your take as far as individual tunes as well. When I listen these days IMHBTR, On The Road Again, and Sailor/Saint often get skipped.

A buck dancer choice could be a collection of poems by James Dickey, or one who dances the buck-and-wing.

a dancer > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bX5sz1P73DE

go nuts > http://artsites.ucsc.edu/GDead/AGDL/uncle.html#buck

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Nov 7, 2013 5:12am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The 1984 Project - A question based on an observation....

Watch those nods...too many and you've got a seizure.

Yes this show is one of my faves as well (no secret around here)from this era. One of those shows that may have been the first one I heard on tape that made my brain melt (my access to earlier stuff was very limited for my first year or two on the bus). Whenever someone askes me about moments that really solidified my enfatuation with the band, I always point to Jerry's vocal on MD. The gut-wrenching growls he digs up still make the hairs on the back of neck stand straight up.